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And winterfox: I agree with Lucretia: many "writers" can't read. I don't mean they have insufficient knowledge of the alphabet, but I mean they are unable to read; after they wrote, they simply cannot read what they wrote and see what's wrong.

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Nope. I had only one specific in my mind.

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However, what I still don't understand - and tht has nothing to do with "skin" or not - was my reaction towards that. I feeled that I had failed.

The only expression I've comme across in the internet to describe what I did is "to freak out". I still don't understand why I had the feeling as if this critic was hitting me to the core , and yes : I definitively mean core. I still don't understand why I reacted so intensively towards relatively rational, unemotional and understandable critics.

I still don't understand or know why I felt this way - being hit so deep - and reconstructing the thing in order to find a clue proved more or less pointless.

The only possible clue I have is that there was no positive criticism (right spelled ?) , but I still don't know.

My feeling was not only that I had failed, by that my work, and everything, including my life, was totally pointless. Being already "hardened" at that point, I could overcome it during several days, otherwise I just would've jumped off the next bridge.

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Winterfox said :
Please, do clarify.

Lucretia says :
There is no need for clarification at all. It is obvious.

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Corwin:
Criticism is a natural part of life. So is failure. We have to learn to handle both, and how we do so, says a great deal about who and what we really are!!

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Once again (another time ) I must agree with Kiya ...

Criticism can be an art : Put so much criticism into it that the criticised one will understand, but also put so much love into it that the criticised one will gain power from the critique.

Another way would be to criticise someone without mercy - the person learns then, too, but the intension is a completely different one.

The latter one could induce the result : "Being criticised is weakness !" thus perhaps leading into emotionless perfectionism.

The fist one could induce : "Being criticised is a chance for making it better !" Thus enhancing ones works meanwhile still being able to put the whole heart into a work.

That's my opinion.

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I am always around. No my "little" coment was not refering to Leather_Raven. As I already said with my poor English (perhaps we could continue in Greek, Ancient Greek or Latin, you will not be disapointed then but perhaps... I will be)

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But perhaps I should sacrifice all this and start reading the novella trying to find "flaws", mistakes and mesure exactly how much "heart" Leather_Raven have put in this. No thank you.

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Strange how "enlightment" works sometimes.

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I am always around. No my "little" coment was not refering to Leather_Raven. As I already said with my poor English (perhaps we could continue in Greek, Ancient Greek or Latin, you will not be disapointed then but perhaps... I will be)

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Mmm, want to yak it in Thai? Cantonese, perhaps? You aren't the only multi-lingual person, trust me. *laughs*

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But perhaps I should sacrifice all this and start reading the novella trying to find "flaws", mistakes and mesure exactly how much "heart" Leather_Raven have put in this. No thank you.

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Please, my idealist little friend. Believe me, I didn't read the novella with an eye out for nitpicking.

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Strange how "enlightment" works sometimes.

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*hands you a sarcasm detector* You need it.

So be direct, m'friend. If you were referring to me, come out and say it.

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Winterfox, How come all you ever do is tear someones grammar apart. Is that how you make yourself feel better?? Last time i heard this was a game forum not a grammar lesson.I know only 1 language but i suppose it makes me less intelligent then you doesnt it??

Half of your posts your commenting on someones grammar. sorry but it gets sickening after a while.Im sure theres many grammar forums you could sign up to. Dont bring grammar into a game forum theres no purpous to it here, especially since theres alot of different countries represented on this forum.

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Winterfox, How come all you ever do is tear someones grammar apart. Is that how you make yourself feel better?? Last time i heard this was a game forum not a grammar lesson.I know only 1 language but i suppose it makes me less intelligent then you doesnt it??

Half of your posts your commenting on someones grammar. sorry but it gets sickening after a while.Im sure theres many grammar forums you could sign up to. Dont bring grammar into a game forum theres no purpous to it here, especially since theres alot of different countries represented on this forum.

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Winterfox, please stop this. It has nothing to do with the novella or writing/literary criticism in general now, but is turning into a senseless win or lose of ego banter and would fit the PM level better.
Thank you in advance,
Kiya

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Hey, and a tango entre nous, in private

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I see this is rather gone far for a simple misunderstanding. Watch out, Winterfox: Lucretia can be a fierce opponent. Same goes for Lucretia.
It almost saddens me when I see two excellent forum members (and friends) arguing over something even I lost the grasp of .

Peace

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I think that the main problem writers have is that they can not read. Yeap. Cause they think that their work is better than the others.

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I suppose it's the same reason game reviewers who point out perfectly reasonable flaws of a game get flamed. (Because said game, in the fan's eye, is perfect and the mere thought of a flaw is blasphemous! Oh no!)

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this one is a very good example to explain what I mean =>

1.: where is your main impact? Words or tone? Why? Because a flaw in the eye of one gamer, might be fun for the other. Sentences used in the form of statements, instead of stating clearly the own subjective point of view tend to be taken as an insult or patronage, thus triggering emotions instead of brains. (Referring to your remarks in brackets)

2.: Veiled messages. Using an information to transport an undercover non-verbal message, turns into a lose-lose ego-battle strategy. Sender sends veiled message, reader/listener responds to the non-verbal one. Sender insists on written/spoken word - the other part still stresses the impact, the veiled message has.

Paul Watzlawick may be available in your country or Schulz von Thun? Both authors wrote about communication psychology.

Watzlawick (from amazon.com):
The Situation Is Hopeless, but Not Serious (The Pursuit of Unhappiness)
How Real Is Real?
Pragmatics of Human Communication: A Study of Interactional Patterns, Pathologies, and Paradoxes
Ultra-Solutions: How to Fail Most Successfully

sadly, Schulz von Thun seems only available on the German market.

Another book, dealing with human interaction is:

Eric Berne: Games people play: The basic handbook of transactional analysis. => it lists transactional analytic "games" people use to misunderstand each other, specializes on the ways how to use phrases/behaviour as a destructive form of interaction - ritualised and tending to cause frustration, as all parties take fun in putting each other down, by mixing up verbal/non-verbal messages - a method mainly caused by own passive-aggressive behaviour and the inability to show inner/outer clarity. (and it's GREAT fun, to use this knowledge in detecting other people play games )

Eric Berne: Beyond Games and Scripts => for those wishing clear and honest interaction and being able to choose, which form the other has and how to respond - either by boiling up aggression or starting genuine communication. Or at least to know, which price the sender/listener is willing to pay, if he chooses the one or other level).

Thomas Harris: I'm OK-You're OK => popular psychology to explain human interaction via Transactional Analysis, depending on your own view of life and life pattern.

Kiya

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I wasn't the first person to start making ad hominem attacks (ala, making implication of "being unable to read").

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That means if this was interpreted as an attack. Was it the intention so ? I don't know.

First principle of Huna : The world is like you think it is.

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I think that the main problem writers have is that they can not read. Yeap. Cause they think that their work is better than the others.

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I agree with that - regarding so-called "high literature". Writers who believe themselves to write "high literature" usually tend to consider Fan Fiction, Children Books and everything else to be "inferior". That's at least my own opinion. You can expand this into Art as well.

I was young and went to a local museum asking whether they would show my works, but no, the woman responsible for tht said, "we usually use arrived artists", in this sense.

I don't know *any* museum exclusively for you, unknown artists - and even for contemporary art you'll have troubles finding some ! Rembrandt and Picasso and Goethe are the big artists, but no-one in the "literary circles" and things like that are interested in young, unkown professionals who bring fresh wind into the scene ! Like a Zombie !

Okay, this was a bit harsh, but that's my opinio0n, generally speaking.