#235825 - 06/06/04 11:22 PM
Re: @ Rhianna
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Orc Warrior
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are u trying to say that u recommended frank herbert's books? or do u want to point out weaknesses in his works? or how he cannot take criticism? or i don't know?
if u're just as perplexed, then never mind my post.
I'm just as bemused as you are, so... (i.e., why was Frank Herbert brought up at all?)
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#235826 - 06/06/04 11:26 PM
Re: @ Rhianna
[Re: Elliot_Kane]
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Orc Warrior
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I tend to just let them get on with telling their story in their own way! The end result is usually better for it 
Writing is kind of like freeform acting on paper, IMO
Absolutely. Stop the characters from what they really want to do, and they go on strike. *g*
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#235827 - 06/06/04 11:27 PM
Re: @ Rhianna
[Re: Winterfox]
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#235829 - 06/07/04 01:12 AM
Re: @ Rhianna
[Re: LewsTherinKinslayer13]
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Ever woke up at 3am with either the greatest idea ever, or the solution to that frustrating sentence that just won't hang together, determined not to forget it, if only you could force yourself to get up and write it down? Do you ever write it down, or do you ever remember it all when you next wake up? I once, blindly, wrote something down, but for the life of me, it didn't make any sense when I tried to read it later. That's another joy of writing.
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#235830 - 06/07/04 02:15 AM
Re: @ Rhianna
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Lews: the complete original Dune series consists of five books -- I haven't read any of the prequel by his son, due to being told that they aren't worth the read. Anyway, the five books are (in this order) Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse of Dune. Quote:
Ever woke up at 3am with either the greatest idea ever, or the solution to that frustrating sentence that just won't hang together, determined not to forget it, if only you could force yourself to get up and write it down? Do you ever write it down, or do you ever remember it all when you next wake up? I once, blindly, wrote something down, but for the life of me, it didn't make any sense when I tried to read it later. That's another joy of writing.
I can be quite extreme when inspiration strikes me. (Even if, yes, it's just a single sentence to replace that awkward sentence I was brodding over.) I'd actually get up, grab a pen and write it down. (Middle of night, mid-meal, whatever -- it doesn't matter; nothing short of a divine intervention will stop me from jotting something down. *g*) I can usually make sense of it after, though.
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#235832 - 06/07/04 05:13 AM
Re: @ Rhianna
[Re: corwin]
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Ever woke up at 3am with either the greatest idea ever, or the solution to that frustrating sentence that just won't hang together, determined not to forget it, if only you could force yourself to get up and write it down? Do you ever write it down, or do you ever remember it all when you next wake up? I once, blindly, wrote something down, but for the life of me, it didn't make any sense when I tried to read it later. That's another joy of writing.
I get up and write it. Even if I can barely think coherently, and I'm nearly asleep. A story idea is a precious thing - and dreams are great for inspiration, sometimes
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#235833 - 06/07/04 05:19 AM
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My own thoughts about Frank Herbert (common German name; at first I thought he *was* a German  ) :
- I read it (the first book) as a teenager. While I found the general concept very creative, I didn't find the whole outcome very appealing - no tension, no other things I like to read ... I thought the book lacked several things I like to read. It was not a "living" story, but a weird Science-Fiction story to me. I couldn't imagine the protagonists as breathing people, but rather the book seemed to me as an expression of his whole (creative) concepts.
- As you might have already read between the ines, I didn't like the overall tone of the book. I didn't have the feeling as if it was written with the heart, but rather with tools.
- I haven't read the book since (and that's more than 10 years ago, although I once took a brief look into it).
- I wish I could be as productive as him. I really wish I could produce ten books a year or so. But I'm not.
Alrik.
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In Antwort auf:
A story idea is a precious thing
So precious that you should never let it out. There are people out there terying to steal this one from you, trying to sell it as their own idea, and even later try to evoke a lawsuit on that on you if you publish your own initial idea / story.
There has been a very nasty report on boards.theforce.net : One there wrote about someone giving in a story idea to a Star Trek Seruies (DS9 ?) , he was asked *everything* about his idea, even invited to show how the thought it, but was rejected, and the story later appeared in the series, with the Invitor as credity. Weird.
Edited by AlrikFassbauer (06/07/04 05:24 AM)
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#235834 - 06/07/04 05:25 AM
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Just as an aside - and in the unlikely event that anyone actually cares - I am currently writing a lot of fanfic set in the world of American comics company Marvel. The curious (Or those seeking ammunition  ) can find links to most of my work hereThis is something of a training excercise for me, and I like to think I am improving. It's a good theory
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#235835 - 06/07/04 05:28 AM
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Battlemage
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Alrik... I publicly post a lot of my stories - which also gives me a fair few witnesses if some rat tries to snaffle them
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#235838 - 06/07/04 05:47 AM
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[Re: Elliot_Kane]
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Just as an aside - and in the unlikely event that anyone actually cares - I am currently writing a lot of fanfic set in the world of American comics company Marvel. The curious (Or those seeking ammunition ) can find links to most of my work here
This is something of a training excercise for me, and I like to think I am improving. It's a good theory
I'd love to read it, but unfortunately, I know precisely jack squat about the Marvel fandoms. Currently, I'm writing a KotOR fanfic -- linked in my signature -- and otherwise I haunt the LOTR and Forgotten Realms fandoms.
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#235839 - 06/07/04 05:55 AM
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#235840 - 06/07/04 07:08 AM
Re: @ Rhianna
[Re: LewsTherinKinslayer13]
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Warlord
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@ deathatthedoor -> dude, are u really reformed? who brain-washed u? where's that nastiness death always wields at the door? man, i swear u're going mellow.
I am always like that where there are no fools to citisise.
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Even more fun -- have you ever agonized over a single word in a single sentence for minutes, rather than just go ahead and finish the bloody passage already? I've had several occasions where a metaphor is desperately strained, or a sentence is hopelessly awful, and it takes several tinkerings to get out something that wouldn't set people's teeth on edge or stick out like a sore thumb.
That's a question of being a perfectionist.
Watch out, Elliot_Kane: Marvel becomes jealous when their fans make something with their heroes. I still can't and won't forgive Marvel for forbidding all Marvel-related mods for Freedom Force. They almost sued the fansite!
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#235841 - 06/07/04 07:21 AM
Re: @ Rhianna
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That's a question of being a perfectionist.
Erm... guilty as charged?
Seriously, though, I know that if I do that all the time, nothing'd ever get written. Sadly, since I'm not half as good an author as I'd like to be, moments like that still occur every now and then.
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#235842 - 06/07/04 07:21 AM
Re: @ Rhianna
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Battlemage
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Thanks for the warning, DATD  If Marvel go after fanfic writers though, they will piss off huge amounts of their fanbase for no good reason, as there are a LOT of fic writers out there - none of whom make any money out of it. Marvel might conceivably have viewed the FF mods as a way of encouraging players to buy the game through the use of Marvel characters - no such reason exists to go after fic writers. They certainly have the right to request all fics be removed from the web, but by doing so they would remove a form of free publicity that might actually encourage more readers to try their comics - so they tend to turn a blind eye
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#235843 - 06/07/04 01:05 PM
Re: @ Rhianna
[Re: Elliot_Kane]
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Warlord
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Thanks for the warning, DATD 
If Marvel go after fanfic writers though, they will piss off huge amounts of their fanbase for no good reason, as there are a LOT of fic writers out there - none of whom make any money out of it.
Marvel might conceivably have viewed the FF mods as a way of encouraging players to buy the game through the use of Marvel characters - no such reason exists to go after fic writers.
They certainly have the right to request all fics be removed from the web, but by doing so they would remove a form of free publicity that might actually encourage more readers to try their comics - so they tend to turn a blind eye
Yes but it was almost 2 years after the game release...
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