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#362766 - 05/11/09 03:04 AM Re: Questions... [Re: Equisilus]
turi Offline
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Registered: 03/15/09
Posts: 92
 Originally Posted By: Equisilus
After all, the demo is supposed to highlight the good to get people to buy; putting out an unfinished demo (i.e. the game's not polished yet) wouldn't be a good idea.


but the best money is made with release and preorder sales.

if a game doesnt get enoug attention in front of the release, people will buy it used or wait till its gone budget.

so they just need to cut a piece out of the game , finish it fast, and demo it.

a demo weeks after release doesnt help much to hype a game.

and the bigger the hype the more they can sell fast.


Edited by turi (05/11/09 03:06 AM)

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#362772 - 05/11/09 05:44 AM Re: Questions... [Re: turi]
drazac Offline
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Registered: 01/19/09
Posts: 59
 Originally Posted By: turi
but the best money is made with release and preorder sales.

I think this type of "system" works best for consoles, but for PC it's a different story ... while a console game, in order to return profit, needs to sell millions of copies (do to high cost of development) in a short timeline, PC game returns profit to devs after months and even years after the game hit the stores and even then, the PC sales rarely reach 1M mark, but if it does (even if it sells 500k copies), it is mayor success for devs and publishers... ofcourse there are exceptions, like Blizz titles (WoW, SC, Diablo) and EA titles (like Sims)

As for demo, personally, I don't need one, just focus on full game and everything will be 'allrite ;\)

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#362774 - 05/11/09 06:53 AM Re: Questions... [Re: turi]
swordscythe Offline
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Registered: 01/04/09
Posts: 349
 Originally Posted By: turi

so they just need to cut a piece out of the game , finish it fast, and demo it.
You, sir, are the devil.


That's the very thing we computernerds have been complaining about for years.

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#362795 - 05/12/09 02:55 AM Re: Questions... [Re: swordscythe]
turi Offline
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the biggest problem for me is, i just cant match dd2 with any other games.

how is it like?

like Gothic?
like Two Worlds?
like Fable?

This game needs a lot of ingame vids or a demo.

look at Arcania,Risen or Dragon Age.
these games are a half year away from release but theres some or maybe a lot ingame Stuff for them.
i can really imagine how this games are, but thers nothing out there for dd2.

just some short lowres vids. nothing really clear how the game really is.
and this so short before release.


Edited by turi (05/12/09 02:55 AM)

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#362799 - 05/12/09 05:19 AM Re: Questions... [Re: turi]
Arkray Offline
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Registered: 02/18/09
Posts: 67
Loc: Catalunya/Spain
 Originally Posted By: turi


look at Arcania,Risen or Dragon Age.
these games are a half year away from release but theres some or maybe a lot ingame Stuff for them.
i can really imagine how this games are, but thers nothing out there for dd2.

just some short lowres vids. nothing really clear how the game really is.
and this so short before release.


Sorry but Arcania???? There is not a single video, just screens that may very well be renders. Risen? Landscape videos, nothing official about gameplay a part of the RPC videos. Dragon Age? I better not opine about this one, its main problem is too much hype, too much info and it being too far away from release and that gives the marketing guys ridiculos ideas to create ridiculos videos...

There is more and better info about Div2, but there is a big need of videos!!! no violent ones and without weird music please


Edited by Arkray (05/12/09 08:28 AM)
Edit Reason: typos

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#362802 - 05/12/09 06:30 AM Re: Questions... [Re: turi]
swordscythe Offline
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Registered: 01/04/09
Posts: 349
 Originally Posted By: turi
the biggest problem for me is, i just cant match dd2 with any other games.

how is it like?

like Gothic?
like Two Worlds?
like Fable?

This game needs a lot of ingame vids or a demo.

look at Arcania,Risen or Dragon Age.
these games are a half year away from release but theres some or maybe a lot ingame Stuff for them.
i can really imagine how this games are, but thers nothing out there for dd2.

just some short lowres vids. nothing really clear how the game really is.
and this so short before release.


It's nothing like Fable. It's more gritty like Two Worlds and Gothic. I would compare it most to Gothic III, except that it won't be rushed and brought out with bug upon bug, and broken quest upon broken quest. I recently played that game, and really, without the bugs, imbalance, and general brokenness, gothic III would've been a fantastic game.

So here's to a finished product!

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#362804 - 05/12/09 06:40 AM Re: Questions... [Re: turi]
drazac Offline
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Registered: 01/19/09
Posts: 59
 Originally Posted By: turi
the biggest problem for me is, i just cant match dd2 with any other games.
how is it like?
like Gothic?
like Two Worlds?
like Fable?

Maybe D2 is not meant to be matched with above games... maybe it will stand on its own
But, i do understand your problem.. it is hard to expect something unique, cause 90% of games are just copy's of its predecessors

However, give them time, you can be sure there will be new gameplay footage, new videos, new trailers.. maybe even a demo before the release... cause lets face it, nobody wants to buy a game he/she knows nothing about ... but be sure Larian and DTP are aware of this, even better then we are ... so don't worry about it, everything will be allright \:\)

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#362806 - 05/12/09 08:24 AM Re: Questions... [Re: drazac]
Lar_q Offline

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I think the answer to what it is like, is that it is Divinity ;\)

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#362807 - 05/12/09 08:48 AM Re: Questions... [Re: Lar_q]
Lynn Offline

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#362809 - 05/12/09 09:47 AM Re: Questions... [Re: Arkray]
AlrikFassbauer Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Arkray
no violent ones and without weird music please


You're referring to that really weird Dragon Age video ? I still wonder what they tried to "say" with it ...


 Quote:
how is it like?

like Gothic?
like Two Worlds?
like Fable?


I think there might be a day when someone asks in a different forum about a different game:

"how is it like?

like Divinity 2
like Gothic?
like Two Worlds?
like Fable?"





Edited by AlrikFassbauer (05/12/09 09:49 AM)
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#362812 - 05/12/09 11:56 AM Re: Questions... [Re: AlrikFassbauer]
Arkray Offline
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Registered: 02/18/09
Posts: 67
Loc: Catalunya/Spain
 Originally Posted By: AlrikFassbauer
 Originally Posted By: Arkray
no violent ones and without weird music please


You're referring to that really weird Dragon Age video ? I still wonder what they tried to "say" with it ...


Yup, it is too weird. I like violence in games but I don't like when they try to sell it to me like a 'cool' thing and much less when it is abused.

 Quote:

 Quote:
how is it like?

like Gothic?
like Two Worlds?
like Fable?


I think there might be a day when someone asks in a different forum about a different game:

"how is it like?

like Divinity 2
like Gothic?
like Two Worlds?
like Fable?"




I hope the same

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#362813 - 05/12/09 12:32 PM Re: Questions... [Re: AlrikFassbauer]
The Endless Offline
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Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 183
Loc: Europe
 Originally Posted By: AlrikFassbauer
 Originally Posted By: Arkray
no violent ones and without weird music please


You're referring to that really weird Dragon Age video ? I still wonder what they tried to "say" with it ...


 Quote:
how is it like?

like Gothic?
like Two Worlds?
like Fable?


I think there might be a day when someone asks in a different forum about a different game:

"how is it like?

like Divinity 2
like Gothic?
like Two Worlds?
like Fable?"




Ditto!

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#362820 - 05/12/09 06:20 PM Re: Questions... [Re: Arkray]
turi Offline
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Registered: 03/15/09
Posts: 92
 Originally Posted By: Arkray
Sorry but Arcania???? There is not a single video, just screens that may very well be renders.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRoJanUK1TY&fmt=18

here ya go \:-D

well, actually i dont need any info on Risen, it will be like Gothic 1 \:D

and dd2 just cant be like dd1, there are worlds between dd1 and this stuff what we have seen already from dd2.


Edited by turi (05/12/09 06:25 PM)

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#362823 - 05/12/09 10:35 PM Re: Questions... [Re: turi]
flixerflax Offline
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Registered: 05/20/03
Posts: 677
Loc: Wandering
I'm not so sure, unless your standard for "matching" games to other games is just based on what they look like, which it seems to be. We've got so many of the same designers and writers, and if you take a look at the armor and houses and whatnot, it DOES look like the first game, just transformed into 3D.

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#362827 - 05/13/09 01:56 AM Re: Questions... [Re: turi]
Arkray Offline
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Registered: 02/18/09
Posts: 67
Loc: Catalunya/Spain
 Originally Posted By: turi
 Originally Posted By: Arkray
Sorry but Arcania???? There is not a single video, just screens that may very well be renders.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRoJanUK1TY&fmt=18

here ya go \:-D

well, actually i dont need any info on Risen, it will be like Gothic 1 \:D

and dd2 just cant be like dd1, there are worlds between dd1 and this stuff what we have seen already from dd2.


Damn, I forgot about that video

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#362851 - 05/13/09 11:47 AM Re: Questions... [Re: Arkray]
drazac Offline
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Registered: 01/19/09
Posts: 59
There are only 10 creatures in creature section of D2 website... i assume there will be more... but how much more?

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#362852 - 05/13/09 12:06 PM Re: Questions... [Re: drazac]
Wishmaster Offline
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Registered: 11/26/08
Posts: 99
Numbers!
Numbers is the word we're looking for... \:\)

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#362891 - 05/14/09 05:54 AM Re: Questions... [Re: Arkray]
Farflame Offline
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Registered: 10/21/08
Posts: 63
Loc: Czech republic
 Originally Posted By: Arkray
Yup, it is too weird. I like violence in games but I don't like when they try to sell it to me like a 'cool' thing and much less when it is abused.


This DA video was just a marketing decision. They try to appeal to mass of teenage boys. The question is - how much will be teenagers disgusted when they find out that the game is actually RPG not "cool action" .

But I agree with you. Mainstream trend seems like "violence is cool", "to be selfish is cool", "killing is fun" while to "THINK, love, self-develop, be nice or fairly-minded is boring shit". "Cool" world of brainless generation...

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#362892 - 05/14/09 06:17 AM Re: Questions... [Re: Farflame]
AlrikFassbauer Offline
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You hit it on the nail.
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#362896 - 05/14/09 08:00 AM Re: Questions... [Re: drazac]
Macbeth Offline

The Scribe
Larian Studios




Loc: In Flanders Fields
 Originally Posted By: drazac
There are only 10 creatures in creature section of D2 website... i assume there will be more... but how much more?

We don't want to show you guys everything yet, that would spoil the fun. But yes, there are more.
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