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#414699 - 06/24/10 12:55 PM Another status update
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So, just like that, it's done, at least, the German version is. We've got people happily playing what we call GMC2 - Gold Master Candidate 2 - and if nothing pops up - that's going to be the version that's going to go to the factory. As I already mentioned, I'm pretty happy about the end result, more than I was for , so I'm curious to see what the reception for Flames Of Vengeance will be. We'll do the big press announcement when the game really goes gold, which requires it to pass the last phases of testing (and age-rating), but there's a good sense of confidence that if it's not GMC2, then it will definitely be GMC3 that gets printed on disc.

I can hear our non-German fans sigh - why once again the German version first ?

The sigh is warranted as we didn't expect it to turn out that way, and actually hoped that we were going to have a simultaneous release, but unfortunately it turned out that way, though I have to say in the same breath that there are some fortunate bits in there too. The reason for a split release is pretty simple - different distributors in different territories were signed at different dates and have different marketing approaches and probably also different target audiences. I know we haven't announced yet who'll be doing the publishing and distribution of the other language versions, but that'll change pretty soon. We actually just signed the deals last week, so PR/Marketing need some time to warm up.

So what's the fortunate bit then ? Well, one part is that the game is going to be released in more languages that we had originally planned. Obviously, it requires more work on our side, but I'm glad that that's going to happen. The other bit I can't talk about yet, I think, due to a chain of non disclosure agreements. When I write I think it's because in a decade of Larian, we signed so many non disclosure agreements, some of them extremely limiting, that it's become very hard to remember what you can and what you can't talk about. But even if I could, it probably wouldn't be sensible of me, so I won't yet ;\)

Anyway, now that I broke that news, the thing about the split releases, let me spin a bit about the German version.

I think I'm not hurting the truth that in the past, many domestic releases through domestic publishers which were only later published outside of their territory sucked when it came to the amount of bugs, of which it is most likely that several were known up front. The responsible ones to be honest are usually the developers who slipped and weren't ready in time, and if a publisher risks getting into trouble because of the delay, they will usually release in the territories where they are the strongest to recuperate their investments as fast as possible. Personally, I never thought that a wise move, as I always thought it's better to ship when it's really ready, but as a developer, responsible for a delay, you're usually not in the strongest position to argue, so you do your best to limit the damage. I'm going to give you an elaborate example of this in a minute, but let me first talk a little bit more about Flames Of Vengeance and why I think this time around, the understandable and probably predictable comment "You are using Germany as a beta-testing country" isn't merited - knowing full well that my statement has a certain bias, and if the unexpected happens, I'll be forced to eat my words and walk the hall of shame ;\)

The main reason - we took our sweet time and managed to get away from external pressure for the development of this one. A dangerous thing in the mind of a lot of development managers around the world as developers tend to spend far more time than they should on their games (which is true) but we actually think ourselves that what we're offering you now is ready, and is a much better experience than ever was. If it weren't for the reasons mentioned before, we'd happily release everywhere.

Obviously it helped that we built Flames Of Vengeance on a finished game, but still, one year for an expansion pack is pretty long, though then again, it's a pretty big expansion pack. Some games nowadays are shorter than Flames Of Vengeance on its own, let alone when playing it combined with .

Also, if required, our time to patch is going to be lot shorter this time, as we made sure that this time we can quickly react to anything that might go wrong. I really don't think it'll be necessary, but you never know. Did you know btw that for one of our games I once had to deal with the statement - "We don't do patches, our games are perfect" while these boards where being overloaded with messages of technical problems. The first patch for that game was actually "leaked" on purpose ;\)

So, to emphasize my previous point and give you a look behind the screens - here's a letter I once wrote to a development manager involved in :divdiv:. He had me convinced that if I argued well, I could gain a couple of extra months to polish the game and asked me to write a strong points/weak points summary. In reality the response I got was a letter from their lawyers that if I didn't finish by time X, they were going to ruin my company, ruin me personally, and make sure that whatever they forgot to mention they'd ruin, would be ruined too. This letter is actually what was in the back of my mind when I mentioned in my last status update that I wasn't so happy with :divdiv:.

Weak point/Strong point summary of Divine Divinity (I still hate the name and curse the one responsible)

Current weak points

Dialogs

While many bugs are present in these and they are being fixed, that’s not the main problem with them. A large degree of gameplay is to be had in a role playing game from the options you get in a dialog. In the quest to mix hack & slash with regular role playing, we probably oversimplified the available options in certain dialogs. This is not really visible in the demo area, where we think the mix is right, but later on in the game this is definitely an issue. The fixes for this are often rather simple, but complicated severely by the fact that the localizations are almost ready, and we need to maintain synchronisation between the three dialog base files (i.e. German, French and English). We have quite some tools in place to facilitate that, but a tool is just a tool, and given the enormous complexity/size of the dialogs in game, operating the tools/maintaining synchronization takes time. We are not to the level we wanted when it comes to the dialogs, though we could’ve been. One example that is present in the demo is the scene with the resurrected necromancer. The dialog there does not contain the richness that you would find in similar AAA games.

Savegame : Thelyron, click on the lever just in front of you, go to where the mummy appears and talk to him. There are no real options in the dialog, which is not such a good thing, but still acceptable in this particular situation. The fact that they stand still is just a bug.


Player expectation mismatches

Player expectation mismatches means that the designer of a certain quest/story scene designed something in a certain way, and that completing it in the way the designer intended it, feels “wrong” to the player. In general you want the player to “think” he’s smart while always making sure that whatever he tries, he’ll stumble into it. There are areas in the game where this is currently not the case, and this breaks the players gaming tempo, and causes unnecessary frustration. Another aspect of the same problem is that there are things in the game which don’t offer the gameplay value a player would expect from something. That’s a hard concept to describe, but an example should make that clear :

There is a small village on the first map which is quarantined because a mysterious plague broke out there. Upon coming closer to the area, the player sees a small scene where a certain Doctor Elrath chats with the guards. The guards ask him if he found the cause of the plague and he responds that he hasn’t yet. Control of the game jumps back to the player then. What is wrong with this scene is that the gates do not close, so the player can just walk in in the quarantined village. This is wrong, because if it is under quarantine, it should really be under quarantine. A player would subconsciously expect that he has to find a way to break in. At present this is not the case (though it is scheduled for fixing).

The next thing that is wrong in this particular quest is that when the player eventually finds a way in the quarantined village, there is no real reward for him. What he encounters is several people who are sick, and one meagre hint in the direction that it is strange that Doctor Elrath can just walk in without being sick. (The quest for which this is the setup has it that Doctor Elrath is actually poisoning the villagers). There is a well somewhere in that village through which the doctor distributes his poison, but nothing happens when the player gets near the well. Later on the player will discover that the well was the cause of them all getting sick, but what’s wrong here, is that figuring out that there’s something wrong about the well should be the “reward” for breaking into the village. Right now the player gains no real visible new knowledge by breaking into the quarantined village, though he would have expected something to be gained by the fact that he broke in. Not gaining that knowledge subconsciously decreases the immersion of the player.

I hope this makes some sense, as I realize it might sound a bit vague, but it definitely is a weak point. We became aware of this type of problem somewhat too late due to delayed QA feedback, and are fixing instances of this wherever we can. It is not the kind of thing a reviewer or player will spot as being a problem, but what he’ll say is “mmm…this was rather boring”, and that obviously is not a good thing. Actually, this type of problem is probably the thing we are currently spending the most time on, since the fixes are sometimes very simple, and can have a very big impact on the player’s gaming satisfaction.

No savegame available for the demo as this type of problem does not really appear in the demo.

Balancing

Currently not good, but getting better every day. This is by definition a task where plenty of QA is necessary, as the only way to get valid feedback is by checking over a large enough sample of gamers for comments like “Too hard, too easy”. The problem with Divinity is that it’s so large, and that you can do so many things, that there really are a lot of parameters affecting the balancing. Over the past few months we have made quite some radical changes to the engine to facilitate the balancing effort, and this has paid of tremendously, but the basic fact does remain that the more QA is available for balancing, the better the balancing is. We’re pretty confident that by march 15th we’ll have a good balance in the game, but I doubt it will be excellent.


Monster AI/Variation

This is a real pity. The game engine is capable of amazing feats of AI, but most of these have been deactivated for the time being, for the very simple reason that there were always more pressing issues. For the same reason, the thing which was always planned didn’t really happen – i.e. giving each monster a different behavior so that every encounter is more fun for the player. It’s not like there is no variation, but the engine is equipped with much more behavior features than are currently visible on screen. An example of this is the orcs. They are currently using the same AI routines as the skeletons. Given the capabilities of the engine, it is about 1 day of work to give them a drastically improved AI, and we do hope to be able to do so, but they are lower on the priority list because it’s not like the hack & slash isn’t fun. It just could be so much more fun.

Savegame “Orcs”: Just hack at them, they come straight for you, don’t really show intelligent behavior. You are artificially boosted.

Roofs

While you don’t even think about it after 5 minutes of playing the game (at least we never had a negative test report from the external testers), they would be cool. But we did put them lower on the priority list (cfr. Other mail) because of the problems they could cause, and the fact that other issues are more pressing.

Item generation

This actually falls under balancing, but right now the variation of generated items is not large enough

Skills

They are both a strong and weak point. Because of prioritisation, some of the visuals aren’t as nice as we would’ve liked and planned. But comparing to the competition, we don’t really have to blush. The main advantage you have in Divinity because of the hack and slash content is that at some point you get so much action going on on screen, that it just looks impressive, even if some of the skill effects are “subtle”.

Polishing

Prioritisation and cutting features were necessary because of the development delay incurred. Since we got into that road we will probably not be able to do what we really wanted to do – i.e. “Americanize“ the game. In our observations it is usually the case that American games feature a much higher degree of polishing than their European counterparts. That means that in general European games ship with bugs which were categorized as minor, whereas AAA games from American houses don’t have these. The main reason for this is financial constraints, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a pity. If you look at most reviews of US games, the word “polished” is something that is going to keep on popping up. We are doing our utter best to get rid of all the imperfections, but it’s clear that we will not manage to get rid of all of them in time.

Not enough voice

Given budget and scope, it’s impossible to have voice on every single dialog in the game, but it would definitely add a lot if this had been possible.



Game strong points


User interface

So far we’ve had over 100 external testers of all kinds (meaning it’s a mix between experienced players and people who’ve never touched a RPG) come by to test the game. To this point, we’ve not had to explain a single time how to operate the game. Given the complexity of the things you can do in Divine Divinity, we are rather proud of that aspect. There are still bugs in the interface, and some improvements we are adding, but in general the accessibility of the game can be considered to be a very strong point of the game.

Action

If we get the balancing right, and fix the remaining bugs, then we think the hack & slash portion of the game is at least of the same level of other games. While it might look simple on the surface, serving a decent portion of hack & slash is an incredible complex task, but we feel we’ve reached that design goal. As said, the only the thing that can stand in it’s way now is an issue of balancing.

Savegame “Thelyron 2”: Just right click like a madman to execute your special move, and drink lots of stamina potions (Note : You are artificially boosted to make things easier)

Interactivity and NPC reactions

I don’t think anybody will complain about the level of interactivity in Divinity. It’s usually the first thing people talk about after having played the game for several hours. The best example in the demo is the dwarf Otho, but there are plenty more.

Savegame “Otho”:

Take the herbs(Drudanai), Otho comes to complain and query you about what you are doing. Now follow him to his house. Click on the bones of his ancestor, Otho complains. Take one of the mugs of beer, drag it over the barrel. You just tapped a pint of beer. Open your statistics window, watch your intelligence and your strength, click on the pint of beer. Close the statistics plate, equip a weapon, walk outside, kill one of Otho’s pigs. Otho complains. Kill his second pig. While doing all of this, check the attitude meter for Otho.

Graphics

Opinions might differ, and while graphics are not “stunning”, we keep on getting reports from the testers that the game is so nice to look at. The same in the press – PC Zone UK for instance saying “It’s all very pretty”, or Power Unlimited (Dutch), “The gfx are gorgeous”. We strongly believe that when it comes to 2D RPG’s Divinity is one of the best looking games. While the comment “It’s not 3D” is a very easy one to make, judging from the gamers feedback, they don’t care whatsoever. I believe the release of the demo will set a lot straight there.

Sound

If we are getting positive feedback on the gfx, we are getting amazing feedback on the sound. While there are still bugs in the sound engine that we are fixing, having two sound engineers and one musician on the project since day one of development is paying off. Not everything is working 100% yet on the sound system, but when it will, the sound image will be very complete.

Skills and character development

One of the things testers like the most is the fact that they get total freedom in the way they develop their character. If this will be balanced 100% correctly, this will in the end probably be the thing that players like the most about Divinity.

Mix between hack and slash and role playing

This was from day one a big gamble, but seeing how everything is coming together, we believe this is working out very well. The demo on its own actually tells that entire tale. In the village, you have traditional exploration and role playing elements. Going into the catacombs, you get more than your share of hack and slash.

Humor

This is something a lot of testers mark as something they like a lot.

Savegame “Confused”: Just walk south.

Exploration and size

If there is one thing you can do in Divinity, then it is exploring. There are plenty of things for you to discover, and you usually get well rewarded for your exploration efforts. And while it has been the biggest development problem, the size of the world is something we believe will be well appreciated by gamers. If the last remaining problems are solved, then people who buy the game will be playing it for a long time. That should help with word of mouth.



Weak point/Good point summary


The game’s weak points are mainly caused by time/budget constraints, too aggressive cutting only to find out that some things shouldn’t have been cut in the first play and starting with QA too late. Dialogs, player expectation mismatches and balancing we consider the most important weak points, and are what we are spending the most time on. Frankly put – these must be fixed. If they are not fixed, the game risks missing its potential. The other weak points would be nice to see totally fixed, but given the situation and the close master date, that’s not feasible.

On the bright side, we’re now more than ever convinced that Divinity is very close to the point of being an AAA RPG which will be liked by many players. There might be a positive bias among the testers we are inviting, but to this point we have managed to convince the most sceptic of them just by letting them play the game and not saying a word. Already word of mouth is flooding our mailboxes with requests for being allowed to come and test, and if we can get Divinity the attention it deserves in the press, we think this game could do really good. We think that we can get the most important parts of the mentioned weak points fixed in time, but admittedly it’s going to be a close call.


Current development status

First some numbers. There are currently 553 bugs flagged as open on our internal bugzilla server (coming from 1392 at start of internal QA). There are 132 bugs flagged open on yours – out of 875 reported bugs. That gives a total of 685 bugs out of 2267 remaining open, meaning that in a period of two months and a half 1582 bugs were solved, or about 633 bugs per month. That’s not bad, but it could’ve been better with more detailed QA, since a lot of time was spent by the developers trying to reproduce several of these bugs. Our internal QA however is overloaded with work (4 full time testers, 5 externals a day), so they can’t perform any better than they already are.

As related in the document I gave you and Martin, the typical ratio of bugs for a RPG of this calibre is between 7000-10000 bugs (numbers taken from Diablo 2/Baldur’s Gate). Since QA for Divinity started up rather problematic and late, it is feasible to say that the amount of total bugs in the end will be lower than the average over BG/Diablo (by the time QA started, a lot were already fixed by developers doing their own testing) – and when those 685 are solved, the game will probably be ready for release, but not as polished as we would want it to be. That’s not saying it will not be polished enough, it’s just saying that we would have preferred a higher degree of polishing.

Among the bugs that really count (except for blockers,crashes etc…), we are treating the gameplay ones as the most important. That means we give priority to something like “I don’t understand this quest” or “this area is boring”. This latter type of bug is usually related to “player expectation mismatches” and “Dialog” issues which are mentioned in the beginning of this document. Those two together with the balancing, are what currently stand between Divinity and its release.

For reference, I’ve included the bug reports from our internal bugzilla server as a text file.

I'll talk about delays in a next status update and post a hilarious letter (in hindsight) I once wrote to a publisher that started with

"Without intervention, Divine Divinity is a project on the run. The non-linearity, the complexity and the scope of the project has proven to be too ambitious. As a result the schedule is suffering constant delays. The current estimate is that without any significant cuts, the project risks a delay of more than 4 months (in addition to its current delay of two months)"

But now I'm going to have something to eat,

Till next time

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#414719 - 06/24/10 04:12 PM Re: Another status update [Re: Lar_q]
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Thanks but its all useless with no update on the console version?
I'm really anticipating it and hope it comes to Xbox.
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#414721 - 06/24/10 04:15 PM Re: Another status update [Re: DivineGamer]
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I was hoping "I'll talk about delays in a next status update" would cover the Xbox version...

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#414722 - 06/24/10 04:17 PM Re: Another status update [Re: Raze]
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Missed that part.
Lar I hope you do discuss the Xbox delay in the next update \:\)
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#414733 - 06/24/10 08:25 PM Re: Another status update [Re: Lar_q]
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Yes, I love and appreciate the updates, but I'd like to hear what's going on with an Xbox 360 version (specifically the North American release). Since it's not being released on XBL due to its size, will it still come out? And if so, will it come alone or will it come in a new packaged product with Divinity II: Ego Draconis? I'd prefer the former since I already own Divinity II: Ego Draconis.

Also, I'd recommend allowing console owners to play it without Divinity II: Ego Draconis, as many stores don't sell Divinity II: Ego Draconis here anymore, thus you're really limiting your potential sales of Divinity II: Flames of Vengeance by making it only compatible with copies of Divinity II: Ego Draconis.


Edited by Libertarian (06/24/10 08:26 PM)
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#414737 - 06/24/10 09:30 PM Re: Another status update [Re: Libertarian]
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It isn't a stand-alone expansion, so D2:ED is required for the add-on. There may be a re-release of D2:ED to coincide with the add-on, though, or possibly a bundle of some form.

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#414739 - 06/24/10 10:38 PM Re: Another status update [Re: Raze]
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I was hoping for any update on the xbox version of FoV too.

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#414745 - 06/25/10 02:07 AM Re: Another status update [Re: Panda X]
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Like i did say in the previous Status Update, a good idea on selling the game would be similar to what Diablo 2 did with LoD. First they sold the Diablo 2 game, later they released a set of both Diablo 2 and LoD expansion, with added improvements to the original game, like resolutions for example. Divinity 2 Ego Draconis + Flames of Vengeance Expansion Set, that includes all the bug fixes + engine improvements from FoV to ED.
Just my 2 cents.
I have no doubt that the XBox version would work the same way.
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#414748 - 06/25/10 03:51 AM Re: Another status update [Re: DeviRyuuD]
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Many thanks for the status update Lar_q ;\)

A question: have the last version (V 1.05A) of DD some fixes you mentioned you would it do better but there wasn't enough time?

I hope too there is coming up a disc-box for the Xbox with both: D2 + FoV together and D2 also more balanced as FoV. Or: FoV on disc with the code (or something) so I can free update my D2 Ego Draconis via Xbox Live.

That all will be very great! \:\)
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#414759 - 06/25/10 07:13 AM Re: Another status update [Re: Joram]
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I like when a developer shares his thoughts with the rest of the community


Edited by drazac (06/25/10 07:13 AM)

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#414786 - 06/25/10 03:37 PM Re: Another status update [Re: Raze]
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 Originally Posted By: Raze

It isn't a stand-alone expansion, so D2:ED is required for the add-on. There may be a re-release of D2:ED to coincide with the add-on, though, or possibly a bundle of some form.


I know, that's why I recommended that they rethink their strategy.
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#414796 - 06/25/10 05:28 PM Re: Another status update [Re: Libertarian]
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You say not a lot of stores are selling Div 2 in America.
So wouldn't FOV bundled with Div 2 be better for business?
Since there putting more copies of Div 2 in stores along with the addon.

But I would also like a standalone Version.
For people who already own Div 2.
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#414798 - 06/25/10 11:22 PM Re: Another status update [Re: DivineGamer]
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 Originally Posted By: DivineGamer
You say not a lot of stores are selling Div 2 in America.
So wouldn't FOV bundled with Div 2 be better for business?
Since there putting more copies of Div 2 in stores along with the addon.

But I would also like a standalone Version.
For people who already own Div 2.


Well, what is the going rate for the standalone PC version of 'Flames of Vengeance'? Is it $29.99?

If so, an 'Ego Draconis' + 'Flames of Vengeance' pack would probably retail at $59.99. Even though it's a good value for all the content you're getting, I think selling a game like Divinity II on consoles at $59.99 is a hard sell. Hell, look at the recently released Deadly Premonition. It was $19.99 at release. It offered 20-25 hours of gameplay. And it happened to have an interesting story with a good cast of characters, and also some truly hilarious moments. It's not a $59.99 game and it shows. It has 'low budget' written all over it, but the game has achieved massive cult status and has garnered quite a large base of supporters. Had it been $59.99, however, I doubt many gamers would've given it a go.

If Larian could sell 'Flames of Vengeace' as a standalone experience on consoles at a $30 or less price, I think many people would be willing to give it a go. However, if they were to release another $59.99 pack, I fear that many gamers wouldn't try it out. North America is very crazy about AAA polish and mindblowing graphics, sadly. And they expect that when they shell out full price.


Edited by Libertarian (06/25/10 11:24 PM)
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#414809 - 06/26/10 05:00 AM Re: Another status update [Re: Lar_q]
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 Originally Posted By: Lar_q
In reality the response I got was a letter from their lawyers that if I didn't finish by time X, they were going to ruin my company, ruin me personally, and make sure that whatever they forgot to mention they'd ruin, would be ruined too.


In one of the Civ games, the Lawyer is - as far as I heard it - the actually strongest available unit within the game.

The rumor I heard was that they did install this most powerful unit after an encounter with Lawyers who wrote the makers of the game that it MUST NOT have the actual name of "Civilization".

I think the game was named "Alpha Centauri" afterwards.

Dunno if I recollect this correctly from my memory.

If I wanted to make a game where i could play a REALLY evil character, then it would have to be a lawyer. Something like in Monkey island 4.

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#414821 - 06/26/10 09:05 AM Re: Another status update [Re: Libertarian]
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 Originally Posted By: Libertarian
 Originally Posted By: DivineGamer
You say not a lot of stores are selling Div 2 in America.
So wouldn't FOV bundled with Div 2 be better for business?
Since there putting more copies of Div 2 in stores along with the addon.

But I would also like a standalone Version.
For people who already own Div 2.


Well, what is the going rate for the standalone PC version of 'Flames of Vengeance'? Is it $29.99?

I think most expansion-packs in the USA go for $30-40 USD.
I.e. Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening expansions retails for $40, pretty much.

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If so, an 'Ego Draconis' + 'Flames of Vengeance' pack would probably retail at $59.99. Even though it's a good value for all the content you're getting, I think selling a game like Divinity II on consoles at $59.99 is a hard sell. Hell, look at the recently released Deadly Premonition. It was $19.99 at release. It offered 20-25 hours of gameplay. And it happened to have an interesting story with a good cast of characters, and also some truly hilarious moments. It's not a $59.99 game and it shows. It has 'low budget' written all over it, but the game has achieved massive cult status and has garnered quite a large base of supporters. Had it been $59.99, however, I doubt many gamers would've given it a go.

I do think it would be smart since FOV does require ED, that they do sell upon release:
Div 2: FOV expansion for ED owners who only need the expansion
and also a Div 2: Gold Edition [containing Div 2: ED + FOV] for those who missed ED and want both ED and FOV.

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If Larian could sell 'Flames of Vengeace' as a standalone experience on consoles at a $30 or less price, I think many people would be willing to give it a go. However, if they were to release another $59.99 pack, I fear that many gamers wouldn't try it out. North America is very crazy about AAA polish and mindblowing graphics, sadly. And they expect that when they shell out full price.

I dunno how much FOV game-world integrates itself into ED game-world - but if the game-worlds are separate, I think it might be easier for FOV to just be sold as a stand-alone box, not requiring ED at all.

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#414825 - 06/26/10 10:33 AM Re: Another status update [Re: MysterD]
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 Originally Posted By: MysterD
I dunno how much FOV game-world integrates itself into ED game-world - but if the game-worlds are separate, I think it might be easier for FOV to just be sold as a stand-alone box, not requiring ED at all.


But FOV is also kind of an overhaul, technically speaking (according to the FAQ), so everyone benefits from it.
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#414937 - 06/28/10 07:42 AM Re: Another status update [Re: AlrikFassbauer]
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Thanks for the interesting read. Kinda proves what we knew all along that in this industry publishers and developers are often not working towards the same goal.


Thankfully FOV didnt have so much time pressure to release and thus we can expect a much more polished work in the end to prove what Larian is capable of.


One thing that keeps going into my mind though:

If Divine divinity was for me one of the best RPGs ever made and had so much problems in release, i can't help but wonder what it could be if it was to be released as Larian wanted with no time restrains.

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#414941 - 06/28/10 09:41 AM Re: Another status update [Re: KnightPT]
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 Originally Posted By: KnightPT


One thing that keeps going into my mind though:

If Divine divinity was for me one of the best RPGs ever made and had so much problems in release, i can't help but wonder what it could be if it was to be released as Larian wanted with no time restrains.




Hi KnightPT,

Yes, good question, I wonder about this too !!
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#415204 - 07/02/10 11:03 PM Re: Another status update [Re: Joram]
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it is best if the major update comes out on xbox too cos alot of people that have PC may have a poor GPU so it intends to lag alot but the xbox 360 has almost very little to no lag at all cos the xbox is made for massive graphical games i recomend that it comes out on the xbox too and it will be good money for the people who made it and the people that have xbox would be very happy.

P.S sorry i have poor english so please excuse my bad english.

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#415213 - 07/03/10 10:57 AM Re: Another status update [Re: Lar_q]
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I would REALLY like to know the status of the Xbox 360 version for the U.S. DON'T LEAVE US OOOOUUUUUUUTTTTT!

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